EP22 - The Musgrave Ritual - The Jeremy Brett Sherlock Holmes Podcast

este episodio del podcast de jeremy brett sherlock holmes está dedicado a la memoria del productor ejecutivo y creador del programa michael cox, quien falleció el 29 de enero de 2021 nuestro pésame con todos los que lo conocieron y nos gustaría extender nuestro agradecimiento a ese increíble visionario y genio creativo gracias michael por todo mientras comienza nuestra historia holmes y watson viajan en un vehículo de cuatro ruedas a harlston mansión hogar ancestral de la rama de sussex de la familia musgrave holmes hundido aburrimiento ante la perspectiva del fin de semana que se avecina descansa sus pies sobre un gran cofre de hojalata hay muchos disparos en bruto oh quizás un poco a pescado y el mejor cocinero en el condado de sussex industry homes y reginald musgrave es un signo de una de las familias más antiguas de inglaterra está en la misma universidad que yo no estaba en general popular entre sus estudiantes, pero siempre me pareció que lo que se estableció como orgullo era en realidad una tapadera para la diferencia natural extrema, de hecho, nunca pienso en su pálido el rostro enjuto en la punta de su cabeza sin asociarlo con arcos grises, ventanas con parteluces y todos los restos vulnerables de una llave feudal si te sientes tan poco caritativo por qué aceptas su invitación para escapar de mi letargo y tu constante acoso para llenar tu habitación en panadero calle apenas constante, así que he decidido dedicar mi fin de semana a la recopilación de algunos de mis primeros trabajos.
Tu trabajo temprano fue antes de que mi biógrafo viniera a glorificarnos. Tenemos registros de tus primeros trabajos, no todos los éxitos, pero algunos pequeños problemas. Los registros del tarleton. asesina el caso de vanbury el comerciante de vinos la aventura de la anciana rusa un relato completo de ricoletti del clubhout y su abominable esposa y el singular asunto de la entrepierna de aluminio muleta de aluminio bien que era algo un poco recherche desearía tener notas de Bien, estos casos pueden mantener mi interés durante unas horas mientras usted alfabetiza con nuestro anfitrión a través de las antigüedades de la época pasada a medida que llegan a la casa solariega.
Cuando se encuentran con el mayordomo richard brunton, un ex-maestro impresionante que da la bienvenida al regreso del señor holm y al anfitrión mismo, el señor de Hearlston Reginald Musgrave, más tarde, mientras Holmes se prepara para la cena, Watson entra en la habitación de su viejo amigo decidido a robar un Eche un vistazo a los libros de casos cuidadosamente guardados del gran detective, pero su entusiasmo da un giro oscuro cuando espía la presencia del vicio singular de su amigo una jeringa de cocaína líquida el hábito de las drogas en pantalla de Sherlock Holmes era un tema de creciente controversia en ese momento en El libro que el mejor detective de granada, keith frankel, explica en interés de la familia que ve los sensores estadounidenses, a menudo se esforzaba por omitir la vista de la jeringa y la solución al siete por ciento que se encontraba ominosamente sobre la mesa de holmes cada vez que este segmento se transmitía en la televisión por cable estadounidense, lo que significaba que fuera de contexto el delirio subsiguiente debió parecer aún más extraño e inexplicable de lo que ya era, pero era el proyecto largo La planificación de la franquicia de Granada que dio lugar a esta secuencia en la introducción al libro de guiones de este episodio, el dramaturgo jeremy paul explicó dos escenas tempranas que representan hogares claramente bajo la influencia de drogas para evidente consternación de Watson, esto no se enfatiza en el original.
Texto, pero vimos la oportunidad de sentar las bases por un momento en un episodio posterior cuando se ve a holmes descartar la cocaína y aclarar el asunto contencioso en esos tiempos para siempre.Creo que los fanáticos de la serie sabrán precisamente en qué episodio se encuentra el Sr.Paul. refiriéndose, pero volvamos a la historia más tarde junto a la chimenea Holmes se encuentra riendo incontrolablemente bajo la influencia de la solución del siete por ciento, Watson lo mira con desaprobación, pero cuando Brunton intenta corregir a su maestro en un punto de la historia familiar, Holmes es incapaz de contenerse en casa. Holmes me ha hablado del extraordinario regalo de Branson. Recuerdo mi última visita. Pasó varias horas explicándome en francés que es maravilloso. que debería estar satisfecho durante tanto tiempo con ellos en esa posición, pero supongo que supongo que se ha sentido cómodo y le faltó la energía para hacer un cambio el mayordomo de hurlston siempre es algo que todos los que nos visitan recuerdan como lo hace este modelo. tengo un defecto un poco de don juan por qué no es un papel difícil de desempeñar en un tranquilo distrito rural cuando estaba casado estaba bien, pero desde que quedó viudo no hemos tenido problemas con él, me refiero a algunos Hace meses teníamos la esperanza de que estuviera a punto de establecerse de nuevo se comprometió con Rachel Howells mi mi mi segunda compañera de piso, pero la ha echado a perder con Janet Tregalis la hija de mi guardabosques Rachel es una chica muy buena pero tiene un temperamento galés excitable ahora vaga por ahí como una sombra de ojos negros a fondo.Al día siguiente, estoy arreglando la casa.Holmes Watson y Musgrave esperan su desayuno cuando el detective pregunta por Brunton, la criada Rachel Howells comienza a desmayarse como la buena doctora.
O atiende a rachel les informa que brunton se ha desvanecido en la noche holmes siente que algo anda mal y al examinar la habitación del mayordomo descubren que ha dejado todas sus pertenencias y que su cama no se usó esa noche más tarde musgrave se ofrece una pista de hogares ii le estaba diciendo a Watson que algo sucedió anoche que puede arrojar algo de luz sobre este asunto, pero esto es muy vergonzoso, pero encuentro que necesito tu consejo , no pude dormir después de tomar esa taza de cafe noir después de la cena. a las dos de la tarde abandoné la lucha bajé las escaleras para buscar una novela que estoy leyendo que había dejado en la biblioteca bueno, puedes imaginar mi sorpresa cuando vi un rayo de luz que venía de la puerta abierta recordé que había apagó la lámpara y cerré la puerta cuando nos retiramos naturalmente mi primer pensamiento fue un ladrón pero para su sorpresa encontró a brunton estudiando a la luz de las velas un viejo documento de la familia musgrave enfurecido reginald lo despidió sumariamente de la h En casa, pero en su desesperación, Brunton pidió clemencia y su empleador accedió a dejarlo quedarse una sola semana, pero lo extraño es que parecía más ansioso por quedarse bien, es bastante claro para mí lo que sucedió.
Regresó a su habitación, pensó que decidió hacerlo. escenificar su desaparición allí y luego inteligentemente posiblemente con la ayuda de su nueva amiga janet oh no no ella vive con su padre al otro lado del lago y además no sé si ella tendría el látigo para ayudarlo en esto pedazo de papel que brandon pensó que valía la pena consultar, incluso a riesgo de perder su trabajo, no es nada, no es nada de importancia, sin embargo, el aristocrático reginald musgrave fue interpretado aquí por el actor inglés michael culver como muchos de los artistas de la serie granada. Culver fue un actor de teatro establecido que a la edad de 19 comenzó en el teatro de repertorio de Dundee, donde apareció en más de 35 obras en solo dos años antes de pasar a la vieja víctima, el triciclo.
Theatre and the west end apareciendo en una miríada de producciones con artistas como judy dench y maggie smith, sus primeros trabajos en pantalla incluyeron dos papeles no acreditados en las películas de bond de rusia con amor y thunderball en las que su padre, roland culver, apareció como el extranjero. secretario en los años 60 y 70 apareció en docenas de papeles televisivos con papeles notables en mcgray the avengers space 1999 y hammers house of horror, solo por nombrar algunos, y aunque disfrutó de un papel impresionante en la epopeya histórica de david lean, un pasaje a la india , es probablemente mejor conocido por la mayoría como el desafortunado capitán nida en star wars el imperio contraataca quien falleció después de una disculpa fallida al señor de los sith el capitán de darth lord vader exige una actualización sobre la persecución prepare un transbordador listo asumiré completo responsabilidad por perderlos y disculparse con lord vader mientras tanto continúe escaneando el área disculpa aceptada el capitán michael culver sigue muy activo hoy haciendo campaña incansablemente por paz y libertades civiles comparte sus fuertes opiniones políticas y su poesía en el sitio web freedomlight y eso es lite dot org nacido en hampstead en 1938 todavía reside hoy en londres a la edad de 82 años.
De vuelta en hurlston manor el trío examinó el documento antiguo en conjunto es simplemente una copia de la antigua observancia singular llamada la ceremonia ritual de Musgrave peculiar de nuestra familia, que cada musgrave tiene que ir a través de su mayoría de edad es un catecismo extraña sin fecha pero en el estilo de mediados del siglo 17 que se y Watson será lo suficientemente bueno para leerme en voz alta ningún médico me morí por duro de quién fue el de él quién se fue quién lo tendrá el quién vendrá dónde estaba el sol sobre el roble dónde estaba la sombra debajo del olmo cómo se pisó oeste ocho por ocho sur siete por siete oeste seis por seis sur cinco por cinco y dos por dos y así, ¿qué daremos por él todo lo que es nuestro por qué deberíamos darlo por el bien de la confianza es una búsqueda del tesoro oh no no ii recuerde a sus hijos que a menudo tratado de resolver y que no conduce a nada podría Brandon han visto esto antes de ayer por la noche que es posible que no tomó la molestia de ocultarlo, pero ¿qué podía querer de que, obviamente, que fue refrescante su memoria que decir que tenía algún mapa o tabla que se guardó en el bolsillo en el momento en que apareciste así es como se veía sí debemos examinar este ritual las medidas obviamente se refieren a algún lugar exacto en el que se pierde el resto del documento nos dan dos guías sí un olmo y un roble y caballeros, hay un patriarca entre robles afuera, examinan un gran roble, pero sus intentos de emparejarlo con el ritual se quedan cortos.La redacción del ritual utilizado en este episodio varía significativamente del de la historia original que enumeraba líneas adicionales y Diferentes pasos incluyendo cuál fue el mes el sexto desde el primero cómo se avanzó al norte por espiga por diez al este por cinco y por cinco al sur por dos y por dos al oeste por uno y por uno y así por debajo pero en nuestra reciente entrevista con el director david carson, confirmó que los cambios se hicieron en el set tanto para simplificar el rompecabezas como para acomodarnos al terreno, asegurándonos que si uno visitara mal a Clinton hoy, uno podría realmente caminar los pasos rituales y terminar en la ubicación del tesoro más tarde esa noche rachel aúlla agarrando un pequeño saco de arpillera nerviosamente se escabulle de la casa desapareciendo en la niebla al día siguiente el personal de la casa busca en el espejo cercano los restos de rachel pero no encuentra nada excepto el pequeño saco que vacian solo para encontrar basura en forma de metal oxidado y guijarros de vuelta en la casa, el trío reflexionó sobre el misterio y dónde está la peor parte o rachel, ¿por qué alguien debería molestarse en tirar esto al lago? Estoy convencido de que no hay tres misterios aquí, sino solo uno y la solución.
De uno puede probar las soluciones de los demás evidentemente más duras y vi algo en esto que escapó a sus antepasados de los que esperaba alguna ventaja personal si puedo leer Por supuesto, tengo en mi mano la pista de la verdad sobre el brunton y el mate howells, dónde estaba el sol sobre el roble, dónde estaba la sombra, y el álbum fuera de Holmes examina los terrenos nuevamente, esta vez teniendo en cuenta la altura de un olmo desaparecido que alguna vez fue golpeado por un rayo y, al hacerlo, hace un descubrimiento inspirado mirando hacia arriba él espía una veleta ornamental en lo alto de la casa con la forma de un gran roble ahora debemos encontrar dónde habría caído la sombra del olmo cuando el el sol acaba de despejar ese pozo, será un hogar difícil ya que el olmo ya no está bien, ahora vamos Watson, si Branton puede hacerlo y nosotros, la respuesta está en trigonometría.
El productor ejecutivo michael cox era un gran fan de esta ubicación. como explicó en su libro, nuestra ubicación para la casa ancestral de musgrave era badly clinton una hermosa casa solariega medieval con foso en warwickshire, quizás la casa señorial más atractiva de toda la serie y en la introducción a su sc El dramaturgo del libro ript jeremy paul agregó que tuvimos suerte en nuestra elección para hurlston, pero aún quedaba el problema del roble y el sol que se resolvió como por un acto de dios por la presencia fortuita de una veleta con un roble ornamental en la parte superior, pero michael cox trató de aclarar las cosas con respecto a este pequeño error al afirmar que en realidad no fue un acto de Dios como supuso Jeremy Paul o incluso la propia invención del escritor como David Stewart-Davies conjeturó al doblar el sauce un primer plano de la veleta muestra que Se agregó una parte superior al original para nuestro propósito.Fue la inspiración de un diseñador de producción muy talentoso, el Sr.Mike Grimes, usando una caña de pescar y un trozo de cuerda.Sherlock Holmes establece las medidas exactas de la intersección de la sombra con el árbol que falta.
El verdadero punto de partida del mapa ritual dirigido por las casas los tres hombres siguieron el rastro en la búsqueda del tesoro al oeste ocho por ocho al sur siete por siete al oeste seis por seis y al sur cinco a las cinco y se encuentran cara a cara con el foso que rodea la mansión Hurlston , cruzan el agua en un pequeño bote de remos que los lleva a un portal lateral de la casa y la parte final del ritual de dos en dos y debajo del sótano el trío hace un descubrimiento espantoso debajo de la losa en el piso encuentran el cuerpo de brunton asfixiado y podrido jeremy brett mientras leen la historia y se dan cuenta de que cada paso estaba destinado a cubrir una yarda completa de distancia se preocuparon un poco por el ritmo requerido para cubrir el suelo descrito en el ritual para stephen doyle de la revisión de sherlock holmes, dijo que si realmente intentas hacer una yarda completa, o tienes que correr o tienes que avanzar, la única forma de hacerlo dramáticamente, por supuesto, era hacerlo a grandes zancadas, pero a la velocidad si te mueves rápido, obtienes un patio real, lo más divertido de eso es que si realmente sigues el diagrama que Doyle ha dibujado para ese paseo, en realidad regresas al mismo lugar desde el que estabas.
La caminata en sí fue atrevida porque era cómica, pero es una cuestión de si se quedará en el lienzo o si salí afuera y caricaturizaron eso es lo que uno tiene que ver todo el tiempo pero debe atreverse o no despega después entregando el cuerpo a la custodia de la policía Holmes Watson y Musgrave terminan su examen de la cámara del sótano Debo confesar que hasta ahora estoy decepcionado con mi investigación. Había calculado la solución del asunto cuando una vez encontré el lugar mencionado en el ritual, pero ahora que estoy aquí, estoy tan lejos como siempre de saber qué fue lo que ocultó tu familia con precauciones tan elaboradas, pero tú resolviste mi misterio de brunton, pero cómo llegó su destino sobre él y qué parte ha sido interpretado por la mujer que ha desaparecido . Yo soy. Debería explicar los métodos de Holmes en tales casos. Él se pone en el lugar del hombre después de haber medido primero su inteligencia y luego trata de imaginar cómo habría procedido él mismo en circunstancias similares.
En este caso, la inteligencia de Brandon es de primer grado, por lo que ve que es innecesario tener en cuenta la ecuación personal como la han llamado los astrónomos Holmes explica lo que debe haber ocurrido Brunton, incapaz de levantar la piedra sin ayuda, contó con la ayuda de Rachel Howells, quien a pesar de de su rabia todavía lo amaban juntos, levantaron la losa y Brunton descendió al pozo, pero tan pronto como él hubo excavado el contenido de debajo, la viga que sostenía la piedra se derrumbó y en un acto final de desprecio, Rachel lo dejó para asfixiar a nuestros amantes condenados.
Memorable retratado aquí por James Hazeldean y Joanna Kirby se graduó de la academia real de arte dramático en 1973 y, aunque no hay una gran cantidad de información que hay acerca de su carrera ella era claramente una actriz muy trabajadora del escenario y la pantalla de finales de los 70 hasta hace relativamente poco, cuando apareció en la última temporada del drama policial británico de larga duración , el proyecto de ley, también desempeñó un papel importante en Agatha. christie es el caballo pálido junto a michael byrne y andy circus y en la altamente calificada asignación 6 temporada de zafiro y acero protagonizada por david mccallum y joanna lumley james hazeldean conocido por sus amigos como jimmy también era una cara conocida del escenario y la pantalla británicos como un niño se obsesionó con las películas del director elia kazan y cuando se enteró de que kazán había comenzado su carrera como actor y director de escena, hazeldean decidió hacer lo mismo y llegaría a ser mejor conocido por su papel de mike bayleaf.
Wilson en el drama de la itv de 1988 london's burning, en el que fue elogiado por su interpretación realista de un bombero cotidiano, pero interpretó muchos papeles desafiantes en una carrera que abarcó tres décadas desde el papel principal en la serie de culto el factor omega hasta un pequeño papel. En Pink Floyd 's, el director de The Wall, Trevor Nunn, lo describió una vez como un actor principal de veracidad minuciosamente observada, brío cómico y atrevimiento emocional, según el director David Carson, como el último día de s. Los gritos del ritual musgrave llegaron a su fin y se enfrentaron a una dura fecha límite de producción James y Joanna tenían solo ocho minutos para realizar su emotiva secuencia de dormitorio de ted ottette talentosos profesionales ambos lograron presentar la escena en una sola toma sin cortes James Hazeldean falleció en 2002 a la edad de 55 años y joanna kirby reside en londres hasta el día de hoy, eso explicaría su rostro pálido y su cerebro favorito en el desayuno a la mañana siguiente lo que había en la caja holmes levanta una moneda de plata deslustrada del fondo del pozo charles the primero podemos encontrar algo más de charles el primero la bolsa que fue sacada del espejo en la casa holmes presenta un pequeño rubí cubierto de tierra para su consideración caballeros miran eso es un judío una reliquia familiar es posible que sus antepasados sean ralph musgrave era él un caballero prominente, oh, sí, sí, estaba cerca de charles ii en sus andanzas durante la Commonwealth, entonces creo que debería darnos el último enlace que w el buscado watson creo que tienes en tu mano una reliquia que no solo es de gran valor intrínseco sino también de gran importancia como curiosidad histórica ¿qué es nada menos que un fragmento de la antigua corona de los reyes de inglaterra la corona oh no no holmes es demasiado fantasioso holmes junta los fragmentos mientras habla ahora considera el ritual cómo funciona de quién fue su quién es dios que fue la ejecución de charles y luego quién lo tendrá él quién vendrá ese fue charles ii cuyo advenimiento Ya estaba previsto que puedo pensar sin duda, señores, que esta diadema maltrecha y sin forma una vez rodeó el latón de los estudiantes reales, pero ¿cómo entró en mi familia cuando Carlos I fue ejecutado? La corona fue incautada, rota en pedazos y vendida por mil guinness.
Desde entonces no ha habido rastro de él hasta ahora, pero ¿por qué Charles no lo recuperó a su regreso? Esa es una pregunta que puede que nunca se responda cuando su antepasado murió por algún descuido. uide a su descendiente sin nunca explicar el significado de padre a hijo hasta que por fin estuvo al alcance de un hombre que arrancó su secreto y perdió la vida en la aventura, mientras que el episodio de esta noche fue técnicamente el segundo filmado para el regreso después de el abbey grange el ritual musgrave estableció firmemente un estilo y flujo que continuaría evolucionando con las próximas entradas también proporcionó una prueba positiva de que el nuevo productor de la serie sería una fuerza a tener en cuenta, así que tomemos un momento para conocer a la dama detrás el regreso de la señorita june windham davies nacida en cardiff en 1929 junio era la hija de un militar de carrera y una bailarina de ballet después de asistir a la escuela elm tree house cuando era niña, finalmente se mudó a londres para entrenar en la academia real de arte dramático junio entró en el Industria como directora de la BBC en 1965, en un momento en que la mayoría de los dramas televisivos se transmitían en vivo desde el estudio allí, dirigió muchas obras y programas y comenzó a perfeccionar su producción.
Habilidades bajo las condiciones de alta presión de la transmisión en vivo, pero en junio de 1969 decidió convertirse en freelance y, además de la bbc, comenzó a trabajar para anglia yorkshire television y granada y fue por esta época que dirigió la miniserie heidi que presentaba a dame flora robson y kathleen byron y fue nominada a un emmy en los estados unidos a la mejor serie de televisión desde mediados de los 70 en adelante, junio se asoció casi exclusivamente con la televisión de granada, donde produjo numerosos programas aclamados por la crítica, incluida la antología sobrenatural sombras de la oscuridad y la época victoriana.
Crib de la serie de detectives protagonizada por alan doby también dirigió 47 episodios impresionantes de coronation street famosa por poseer un don para descubrir talentos prometedores june wyndham davies dio a muchos actores jóvenes sus grandes oportunidades, incluido un joven michael kane a quien le dio su primer oportunidad en el escenario, ella también brindaría oportunidades de actuación temprana para rhys ethans y hugh grant y según la leyenda, incluso jugó un papel temprano en el casting del gran detective en una entrevista de 1997 con el bautista marcel y helen cohen, junio recordó su participación más temprana en la serie de sherlock holmes, dijo que había hecho una serie muy exitosa llamada crib y eso había ganado mucho dinero y como resultado de eso Granada pudo permitirse el lujo de enfrentarse a Sherlock Holmes, una de las cosas más interesantes es y me gusta que se me acredite esto fue la sugerencia de Jeremy Brett para interpretar a Sherlock Holmes Peter Eckersley, quien era el jefe de drama murió y fuimos a su funeral yo estaba con un director bastante conocido en ese momento y le preguntaban si le gustaría dirigir sherlock holmes, dijo que depende de quién interprete a los hogares, dije yo ' Tuve una idea brillante, creo que debería ser Jeremy Brett, podemos fecharla absolutamente desde el momento de ese funeral , dijeron que era un pensamiento bastante sorprendente porque se lo consideraba un ídolo de la matiné en ese momento.
Está bien, pero no el tipo de hombre que imaginarías que sería Sherlock Holmes. Varios meses después, de repente escuché en The Graffiti que iba a ser Jeremy Brett, así que estaba muy contento en 1986. Michael Cox entregó las riendas de la serie a June Wyndham. Davies, pero su respuesta inicial fue de incertidumbre, recordó. Te diré con toda sinceridad que no quería hacerlo. Fui y dije: escucha. He hecho detectives victorianos hasta que me salen de los oídos y no lo hago. No quiero volver a hacerlos, le tengo cariño a Jeremy, pero no quiero tener que asumir todos sus problemas y tribulaciones porque se estaba poniendo muy enfermo incluso entonces, pero estaba convencido de que tenía que hacerlo, decidí que Debo hacerlo desde mi propio punto de vista, ya que ha habido muchos intentos previos para hacerlo lo más visual posible, así que lo saqué de lo que consideraba la forma de hacer un teatro en forma de caja y lo hice enormemente visual.
Conseguí a los mejores cineastas que pude encontrar para dirigir, incluido Peter Hammond, que está en e de lo mejor en mi opinión la serie de granada continuaría bajo su supervisión hasta su episodio final en 1994 pero junio aún no había terminado en 1997 le otorgaron un premio al mejor drama bafta por coproducir la película de 1996 august que protagonizó y fue dirigida por anthony hopkins al año siguiente produciría su proyecto final el cater street hangman una pieza de época thriller criminal escrito por el ex alumno de la serie holmes trevor bowen june wyndham davies fue pionera e inspiración para directores productores en el reino unido y más allá hoy en día la disfruta jubilado residiendo en españa a la edad de 91 habiendo resuelto otro misterio singular holmes y watson parten hacia londres era casualidad que la madera se resbalara era solo culpable del silencio ella tenía un alma celta apasionada el hombre la había agraviado ella lo tenía en su poder poderoso no ha sido la venganza envió la piedra chocando su mano que la apartó y lo que ha sido de ella muy probablemente ahora está lejos de herlston y lleva su Cret con su fecha de emisión original en la red itv fue el 30 de julio de 1986 a las 9 00 pm dramatizada por jeremy paul y dirigida por david carson bien, conocemos a estos dos caballeros bastante bien a estas alturas y veremos a david carson una última vez cuando nos encontremos los seis napoleones como el señor jeremy paul en 1988, junto con jeremy brett edward hardwick y michael cox viajaron a la ciudad de nueva york para asistir a la ceremonia anual de premios para los escritores de misterio de américa el ritual musgrave que se había emitido en la serie de pbs misterio en el us mucho más tarde que su contraparte de itv en el reino unido fue nominado al mejor episodio de una serie de televisión, pero incluso contra una dura competencia que incluye episodios de Wiseguy y Cagney y Lacy, Jeremy Paul salió victorioso llevándose a casa el premio Edgar, el premio que lleva el nombre de Edgar Allen Poe fue bien merecido y Fueron muchas las felicitaciones a su alrededor, los cuatro caballeros regresaron a Inglaterra eufóricos y marcaría uno de los puntos altos de la carrera literaria de Jeremy Paul y, por supuesto, esto no es No es lo último que veremos de la pluma del Sr.Paul .
Regresará de nuevo en no menos de seis futuras entradas a la serie, pero ahora pasemos nuestros pasos hacia los sillones donde luke nos espera ansiosamente por el bien de la confianza, ¿qué es mejor? para los hogares es una detección que una dirección antigua y críptica brunton rifla un cajón en su lujuria a nada más, pero cede a la disección del joven sherlock las limericks sherlockianas de asimov que aluden claramente a la diferencia entre la historia y el programa en la historia este es un flashback de Los días posteriores a la universidad de Holmes antes de Watson, primero bienvenido de nuevo Luke, parece que ha pasado demasiado tiempo desde que hablamos de Sherlock, sí, bueno, sí, creo que ciertamente va a ser una conversación de algunas emociones encontradas, me refiero al ritual de la rata almizclera.
Por supuesto, como hemos dicho muchas veces, es uno de nuestros episodios favoritos, pero esta conversación se produce no mucho después de que nos enteramos de la noticia francamente desgarradora de que el productor Michael Cox ha fallecido. ah, en realidad falleció en enero, pero en realidad no se hizo público por un tiempo y quiero decir que podríamos guardar esto para más tarde para hablar de ello, pero pensé que antes de sumergirnos tal vez podríamos tomarnos un momento para compartir algo que encontré en línea. Creo que vale la pena mencionar que todavía no he visto un obituario legítimo de michael cox en ninguno de los grandes periódicos, lo cual creo que es un descuido real y, francamente, una pena, pero esto proviene de la sociedad sherlock holmes de londres y la esposa de michael, sandra. a Roger Johnson y Gene Upton de esa organización y tuve esto para compartir y estoy leyendo de su carta ahora que ella escribió Michael había estado entrando y saliendo del hospital desde Navidad con varias infecciones relacionadas con el cáncer de pulmón el miércoles 27 de enero fue transferido del hospital a un asilo de ancianos local, pero el jueves por la noche desarrolló una infección en el pecho, una neumonía severa cuando llegaron los paramédicos, estaba demasiado enfermo para ser trasladado al hospital nuevamente y murió en paz y sin angustia.
Ortodo después, no lo ha tenido fácil desde julio y me consuela mucho que su situación de deterioro haya terminado para él. Creo que ya había tenido suficiente y, aunque nunca se quejó, su vida se estaba volviendo cada vez más difícil, así que me refiero a es terrible escucharlo, pero sí, en todo caso, es realmente bueno obtener información sobre lo que sucedió, quiero decir, también agregaron que al final del año la sociedad le había presentado una membresía honoraria, que es algo que reservan para personas como peter cushing y douglas wilmer es un gran honor y, según su esposa, él estaba muy agradecido por ese premio, así que es bueno saber que pudo disfrutarlo, aunque solo sea por un tiempo, sí, ya sabes, es algo típico, creo.
El público pasa por alto a los productores y a la gente en el back-end de películas y programas de televisión y cosas, sí, los actores y directores reciben mucha atención, pero gente como Michael Cox hizo gran parte del trabajo y Tienes que darle mucho crédito por el éxito de estos programas y la calidad, así que es una gran pérdida, sí, y fue un gran jugador en granada durante tantos años, es que no sé que es desalentador. que sepa que no puedo encontrar un obituario realmente bueno, ya sabes, parece que debería haber uno para él, pero sí, aquellos de nosotros que apreciamos su trabajo lo seguiremos apreciando y es por eso que estamos aquí.
Definitivamente nos dio mucho así que sí, gracias michael cox bueno hablemos sobre el ritual musgrave sí cuál es tu primera nota luke bien, decimos esto cada vez y no sé si deberíamos dejar de decirlo pero hay otra variación en el música de crédito de apertura oh sí, un poco más maníaca, pensé que tal vez una alusión al uso de cocaína o tal vez solo porque era por diversión, pero una buena variación, sí, una interpretación muy diferente, seguro en ese violín principal, presumiblemente, es la hija de patrick de kathy gower en ese derecho, tal vez.
Un poco alerta de spoiler aquí, esperamos tener una charla con la hija de patrick de Catherine Gower en algún momento pronto y tal vez ella pueda arrojar algo de luz sobre eso, así que estad atentos, pero en realidad mi primera nota que escribí fue que tuve un pensamiento brillante que deberíamos intentar entrevistar al actor que interpreta al niño de la ventana el que hace una mueca y saca la lengua sí, si pudiéramos encontrarlo, creo que creo que tendríamos una conversación divertida, así que esta es para ti david sí, bueno, sigo adelante. sabes que estaba pensando que no sé si será posible hacer el bien, el mal y el jeremy en este porque estoy bastante seguro de que no hay nada malo, sí, eh, quiero decir, cada momento en este es francamente genial, sí, pero si tuviera que poner algo en una mala categoría, el momento en el flashback de la imaginación de brunton cuando musgrave está montando a caballo y sí, por cierto, está michael culver para aquellos que tienen curiosidad, el momento en el que brunton parece estar ser golpeado en la cara por su propia imagen minación sí y tipo de tiros la cabeza hacia atrás tipo de un momento extraño que es un momento extraño, pero me gusta lo pondría en el bien, sí realmente es una especie de efectivo quiero decir que creo que creo que está destinado a ser como algo mirándolo a la cara e incluso en su imaginación lo está golpeando en la cara, pero no puede verlo y hablando de Michael Culver, aunque sí, ese es él en el caballo y también es él al final con la bolsa, sí, sí, así que son dos Michael.
Cole, así que interpreta tres papeles en este programa, sí, esa es una oportunidad bastante rara para un actor, sí, bueno, la razón por la que menciono ese momento es que me hizo querer echar un vistazo al libro de guión de este episodio para ver algo así. the heck was meant to be happening there yeah and ii don't know i want to talk more about these script books and how i came across them but we'll get back to that but for now i thought i would just read a few bits of this one just to illustrate how different the script actually was to the images that ended up on the screen it's kind of illuminating are you okay with that yeah i actually haven't seen these books because we've just kind of been locked down well we'll read just a page or two from this one here's how the introductory scenes begin for this one it reads scene one the exterior of hurlston manor lawn evening the sun is just touching the top branches of a magnificent oak tree which stands in the grounds of the manor a rambling predominantly 17th century house with a splendid park of final timber surrounding it and a lake some 200 yards from the building a man is gazing intently up at the lowering sun his name is richard brunton butler of hurlston hall a well-grown handsome man of forty he wears a thick shepherd's check muffler around his neck brunton obviously deep in thought moves away and is lost to view behind the oak cut to scene two okay so already slightly different he's not lost to view behind the oak he moves forward from the oak scene two path on th e estate brunton walks along an overgrown path leading to some outbuildings we have a sense that he is being followed different there nobody's getting followed scene three interior of the barn bronton climbs a ladder to a hayloft throws off his coat takes out a piece of paper and hunches himself in a corner murmuring to himself his eyes becoming fixed and blank the camera closes in cut to scene four exterior hurlston manor the oak tree knight in brunton's imagination it is night and a horseman is galloping toward him headlong past the oak as he gets closer the horseman who looks like musgrave and is dressed in a cavalier costume swings a bag on a leather strap around his head and aims it viciously at brunton's head it seems to make contact in fact the horseman is delivering the jewels as is made clear later cut to scene 5 the barn close on brunton's eyes tightly closed against the imagined impact of the bag a noise in the loft makes him open them he sees janet coming up the ladder she moves purposefully towards him and then suddenly giggles he relaxes and pulls her to him and into the hay cut to scene six the barn ground floor rachel stands listening she climbs the ladder just far enough to see what's going on in the hayloft she turns and runs from the barn cut to scene seven exterior the oak tree evening close on brunton on the lawn in front of the house as in scene one approaching the tree he stops in his head the drumming of imagined hoof beats musgrave approaches him and they have an inaudible conversation at the end of which brunton walks away and during which we run the episode titles so i mean yeah it's it's it's the whiplash is explained a little there but the differences are obviously pretty interesting to note it's not knight in the flashback yeah brunton doesn't have his muffler he isn't being followed there's no confrontation by the tree and um janet doesn't bear all bear most anyway yeah speaking of that what a shocking little come on from janet trigeli s lifting up her dress and showing brunton the goods you got to be direct sometimes i made a note somewhere down the line that brunton's muffler could be like a new exclamation like merlin's beard buttons muffler yeah there's actually some interesting uh clothing and and uh costume choices in this episode which we'll get into but uh holmes wearing that afghan around himself the entire time was kind of kind of cool yeah we actually got an email about that asking if we could make that one of the prop replicas but i would love to but i think that would be a tough one that'd be a tough one but speaking of the scene with the afghan the only thing that i came close to thinking could be considered bad in this episode was the lighting on the close-ups in the carriage and only because you can tell where the sun is and they have like a bounce or a light source really low in the carriage so like their teeth and and like the moisture in their mouth has like a little gleam glow yeah yeah and i don' t think hardly anyone would ever notice to be honest i've never actually noticed that until you mentioned it just now yeah it's just one of those things i look for little dots of light in people's eyeballs to see where the lights are and things like that and this one they're just quite low well speaking of that scene i mean that's like such a great scene um just the first moment when holmes with his exaggerated cough about the clear air but right after watson says it too right but i really like the line where he uh the way he delivers the lime where he says that was something a little rasher shay yeah which i thought just in case people don't know what that means is it means kind of like out of the ordinary or exotic or maybe choice or sought out with care according to the oxford edition annotation yeah kind of like his choice past cases that he hasn't published i love the fact that watson just looks absolutely flustered that he hasn't had access to the cases before too he just starts taking out a notepad and trying to keep up and then he just kind of gives up i like the timing of the editing in that because it's like by the time he gets the pencil out he holmes is already basically done saying everything he's gonna say well there's a lot of that in this episode too and you know we discussed some of this with with david carson in the last interview but there's a lot of like comic moments in this episode that you know they they if you're not really paying attention they kind of just go over your head but like you know at the end when watson is explaining holmes's method and how to you know you know the personal equation as the astronomers have done there's like these like little eye glances between him and muskrat that are really great little tiny moments that they aren't in some of the other episodes there's so much great stuff in this episode so much great furniture and set dressing and all this stuff it makes me want to go back to the house and look for all the di fferent like books on the shelves and bar reliefs and you know vases and tables like especially in that house there's so many like really interesting wood carved things like i took a picture of this pen set you know like a dip pen set it was just so neat so much detail in that house you just kind of you just kind of get lost in it well we definitely need to go back someday yeah but let's get back to where we were in the episode obviously we're basically at the part where um jeremy has his drug-induced mania and laughter and uh you know i would normally save this moment for either the good or the jeremy but it's just everything about this scene is so incredibly great i feel like everybody deserves credit here because it all could have been overdone and it's jeremy of course so it's it's perfect but edward here too i mean the way he looks at homes kind of nervously because he knows he's high yeah i have to admit you know as a kid i certainly never got what was happening here right i neve r realized it was that holmes was you know coked out of his head or whatever once you see that and once you're looking for it jeremy's performance here becomes a totally different thing yeah it becomes a rare instance where we see holmes you know he's not on a case so he's just doing a lot of cocaine and he's just high as a kite and everybody around him is kind of embarrassed for him yeah you know musgrave and watson are both kind of acting like they're walking on eggshells and they're not sure when to laugh and when not to laugh but it's really quite great there's that element but there's also the element of brunton kind of uh embarrassing musgrave so right muskrat has to deal with that yeah but in between all that i always thought like holmes was kind of flirting with brunton which going back to after speaking to david carson like i don't believe that at all but right if you watch it there's a scene where he's almost licking his lips yeah brenton's in the foreground yeah holmes is in the background just staring at the back of his head and just about licking his lips at him you know it was just you know why i love that moment though is because i have to wonder both what is going on in sherlock holmes's head but also what's going on in jeremy brett's head trying to play the coked up sherlock holmes like i think what's happening there is he's like his deductive powers are on like 12.
They're just off the charts yeah he's like looking at everything on his face and every hair on his head and he's like analyzing everything about brunton in his mind you know and he's just like dissecting him and knowing he's just about to embarrass musgrave right because he's by far his superior in terms of intellect yeah muskrat's like yep yeah the butler of hurlston it's like i never hear the end of this it's a great scene though it really is and uh we've been in that room it's so neat yep i did like the uh the shot the next morning when holmes and musgrave are waiting for watson at br eakfast and he comes in and the camera it's kind of a one-shot thing we talked to david carson about these you know yeah hands over to see watson and he's got a smile and he sits down and it's just really nice it's really nice to watch edward kind of carries the whole thing with his looks and it's really nice but it's also it's also comedy at the same moment you know yeah musgrave is just sitting there and then holmes is just holding his cigarette nobody's moving they're all frozen to the table and then watson comes in and he's just so happy and then he immediately gets shushed yeah and obviously that scene is an amazing one for uh joanna kirby who played rachel howells i mean yeah you know her crazy laughing crying thing i mean that kind of thing it would have been really easy to overdue and frankly overdue badly yeah and i don't know somehow i just feel like she nails it just right yeah it's it's really well done between that and and the the scene of her walking around is the black s hadow yeah she really brings it she really brings like the creepiness and the manic yeah it's great she's great in this yeah she really is i did make a note at the end of the episode her face when she decides basically to let brunton die yeah and then she just effectively walks over his grave or his sepulcher as they say in the story but yeah just another great moment just yeah it is pretty chilling uh pretty chilling end yeah definitely there's a deer stalker cap in this episode but holmes is not the one wearing it i'm sure you spotted it did i spot it i don't remember no wow i'm surprised i was transfixed on the hamburg well i'll i'll just give it to you then the hunting party oh right right notregalus but one of the other hunters is wearing a deer stalker in this one no it didn't jump out at me but this is again one of my favorite hats in the whole show yeah a lot of good hamburg in there yeah did you notice the missing acorn i didn't look for it okay but i did actually when i went back to the photos i noticed that there was a different one or at least the base was different well perhaps we should explain just in case for anyone who didn't hear our interview with david carson apparently during filming one of their grip trucks clipped one of the pylons or pillars that were there on each side of the path when you approach the house you can kind of see them in the very first shot when holmes and watson arrive at the manor and if you look closely on the top of each of those pillars you can see a large acorn shaped topper type thing well at the end of the scene where they discover the weather vein as they're walking back to the house you see those pylons again from a different angle and one of them is sans and acorn at the top yeah yeah so i would never have even thought to look or think about that had we not had that conversation with david carson um speaking of david carson speaking of his long shots and continuous shots just another funny little thing but i thought was great when when they're in brunton's room when holmes is in britain's room anyway we're panning over his shoes all these collections of shoes right and then holmes's feet are in the next set of shoes and he's bouncing his feet you know yeah just another great jeremy and david carson thing there yeah i really like that i thought that was a great shot well again i don't think there's a lot of bad in this episode but i do have one thing i wrote down which was it is a little far-fetched to think that in 200 years or whatever it was that not a single other soul would have noticed that the weather vein was an oak i mean yeah you know and and this time that one can't be put on the story because in the story it's not that way that was done for the show right but i mean again suspension of disbelief it really works incredibly well in the context of the episode but if you don't think about it for too long maybe that's a that's a statement on the musgrave intelligence well that's it that's a very like book smart but not very street smart yeah i mean because the whole time muskego is just being embarrassed yeah he is smart and he's educated but the butler is outshining him at every instance so that's true maybe it's not that surprising that they couldn't figure it out yeah maybe the entire line of musgraves were just a little slow on the uptick yeah interesting you know one thing that stuck out to me watching this episode is it might have been tedious at the time but what a time to live in where having friends over to your house means that you have to wear a tux to dinner yeah and the fact that looking in a drawer means that your conduct as an employee has been infamous right just a different world well i guess if it was his private library and his personal documents then you know that kind of sure that's pretty bad and ii actually always thought when he said that infamous line that he was kind of referring to brunton's character as a whole you know the whole don juan thin g and all the rest yeah i don't know you know just just that was enough going back to that weather vane i did make a note about that high shot on the roof looking down past the weather vane yeah i never really took note of it before but what a fun little shot i mean you can see like the entire countryside and you can see them and even though they're very small it's clearly jeremy brett down there you know he's not a stand-in he's he's surveying the area and pointing with his stick and everything it's just it's a really cool shot ii um that one i don't know why it never stuck out to me until now but i really really like that shot and just to go the other way with that when they do the close-up on holmes he's peering under the brim of his homburg at the wind vane yeah and the sun is just out of his eyes right and then watson comes over and he just starts squinting into the sun you know and and they also have another light like a they have another bounce down there you know at the bottom of their faces so his eyes are just about to water whereas holmes just has his brim shadow just into his eyes it's just yeah it's just another like it's one of those things that makes watson seem just a little bit dumb yeah that's a tough one ii thought about that a lot too like you know i'm sure they probably had a few takes on that and after a while jeremy was like i'm not i'm not lighting my eyes with the sun it's just too much but but even if it seemed like a decision to me yeah and it was just a nice one where watson just stares into the sun and homes just uses his hat yeah so here's a question for you why does homes need every fishing rod in the house i mean first of all they all seem like they're about the same height and then i mean i just don't know what he was looking for in those fishing rods a straight one well i guess they never said but i assume he was looking for one that was exactly six feet tall i guess so or he's just being homes and he's high and he's just saying go get me every fishing rod in the house yeah yeah and i kind of love the way that michael culver like trundles into the room with all of them yeah and just ducking under the archways and then again just everybody being great in this in this episode and speaking of trundling along when they're out and doing the ritual and homes is marching around through the lawn musgrave is is like pointing at holmes's every footstep and counting yeah and he's just hunched over running behind him yeah it's just this i don't know just just love it i love it well speaking of that speaking of the striding the music there i love that music it's quite a memorable theme i use it often in the podcast but it's just so great and if you watch patrick gowers timed the string plucks and the pacing of the music to correspond with jeremy's footfalls which it's really pretty great and not the easiest thing to do considering how it was cut you know what i mean how the different cuts are but it works it works just great especially the very first scene where you see it and it's just perfect it's great and again to the music and you said harpsichord before but they use the harpsichord when they're reading the ritual when they're reciting it yeah and it just kind of takes you back a couple centuries with harpsichord music like it was just a great touch by patrick hours again absolutely yeah what are your thoughts on brunton's body position in the cellar i mean it's obviously supposed to be a rigamortis or something but it's kind of a strange choice because i mean there is a pageant illustration of this yeah and it's nothing like this choice i don't know it feels like brunton is in some strange like obvious position like i should know what his contortions are meant to convey but to me it just looks like he's like trying to climb a rope or something yeah that that's that's a good point like maybe this was a question for dave carson that we missed out on yeah i think the pageant illustration is obviously so mething that would have been impossible to film why well because he's in this little tiny hole i think the way it's said in the story he he's hunched over his hams i think is what they said yeah and with his arms on either side of the box and he's just basically in the box and it's creepy it's got his head like on the box yeah yeah but it's from profile right so you can get the camera far enough back because the hole wasn't big enough you mean yeah but on top of that if you're showing the reverse you know so we're seeing them look down and we need to see their pov i mean it would have been fine you would have just seen his back yeah and it wouldn't have been as creepy i think and i think they wanted something effective yeah and so they probably had looking up and then maybe they just thought do something with your arms yeah but in a perfect world i like the pageant illustration but it's at least something weird yeah well it's definitely weird because i still don't even know what to mak e of it yeah after all these years i'm still slightly confused by what it is but uh well rigor march doesn't set in one second after you die so that's true that's true his arms would have flopped to the side yeah but i think maybe that's what it was meant to be like he was clutching at his chest or something and then he just froze that way but so i didn't really mention him in the first part of the show but the inspector that's there when they bring the body out inspector faraday yeah he was pretty good i mean you know it's kind of kind of funny ii don't know iii feel funny yeah sadly um this was his final performance that actor ian martin yeah just three months after this episode was broadcast in 1986 he passed away from a heart attack at age 42.
But you know his performance here while brief is yeah i feel like he's on the bumbling side obviously but yeah maybe of the time you know accurate to the time or something right because watson walks up and he's like i have some experience in forensic pathology the man has been dead for two days cause of death suffocation oh no wound or bruise on the body oh accident then yeah my job's done sort of but then he gets angry when the trigelis girl comes up and you know i want to talk to her then you know and yeah okay he gets angry but he just holds the curtain up yeah cover up just exposing the dead body the whole time reminding me of the simpsons but you know it's a weird part because you know it's like okay you're gonna be on set for you know half an hour we're gonna do this scene really quick and you just you're in and out you don't have a character that's gonna continue but just give us a dialogue yeah it's it's it's all right it's he's he's interesting to look at he's interesting to watch no he's perfectly serviceable just you didn't have much to do exactly i did think it was interesting again it kind of goes back to the thing we always talk about which is when they do any kind of effect or overlaid footage we don't have those elements anymore so it goes to kind of a low definition quality you're talking about the cross fades yeah well when holmes is sitting there in what you might refer to as his mind palace right i think it's first time it's a great example of that of that demonstration of his powers and his method like he's sitting in the room thinking about it and then button walks in behind him yeah and it's just it's just a nice scene and you watch him kind of materialize inside holmes brain yeah and it's just it's just a shame again that we don't have those elements anymore but yeah yeah what can you do but it's great scene yeah my only other kind of teeny tiny nitpick with this one i think it's my only other one uh which again is more from the story but it actually is explained a little better in this story too but is why would brunton not go to janet instead of rachel i guess it's because she's quote outside the house yeah or something but you know well this goes back to the things that we jus t don't understand being americans i think because it comes up in the devil's foot as well but when the maids or the servants lock the house they have the keys so there's no getting in or out and i don't think it's mentioned in the story i could be wrong but at the beginning of the episode musgrave says oh the chagralas woman she lives with her father on the other side of the pond right but they did get out right well they met in the hayloft that's what i mean so it's kind of i mean again we're we're really scraping the bottom for nitpicks at that point but yeah yeah not many shows end with a dead body floating face up in a lake yeah that's a nice little shot yeah it's a great little homage to the uh ophelia painting but yeah but you know what's funny about that i don't think i ever noticed that janet is floating a little homemade toy sailboat thing on the water when the body floats up yeah it floats across the screen in very plain view but i somehow never noticed that it was anything more than literally a stick and a leaf which is what it is but what's funny about that is the script book is also different here and so the last scene actually reads like this scene 42 the far side of the lake janet sits on the bank forlornly thinking of the butler of hurlston the water laps against the shore suddenly her attention is caught by a movement in the reeds she stands for a closer look the body of rachel drifts slowly into view floating face downwards janet opens her mouth to scream and music and titles so again like very different she's facing downward there's no boat and there's no running yeah had no screaming and you know it's just kind of interesting interesting the way it uh it was different these script books are quite an interesting little collectible for fans of the show and uh well for those who don't have them on their radar maybe we can take just a minute and let people know about them yeah there are four of them uh all written by jeremy paul there's the naval tr eaty thorbridge speckled band and this one and to be honest i didn't learn about these until i think after we had covered speckled band and naval treaty so i didn't really get to utilize them or make comparisons like we just did but each one comes with a little intro written by mr paul himself which was the main reason i was so eager to seek them out and you know they're quite interesting to look at maybe we'll upload a photo to the twitter but just to see some of the differences between the script and what ended up on screen but i will say that knowing what we do about how this script was changed to accommodate the building and the terrain etc it's also clear that these script books were altered somewhat at least to match what did go up on the screen you know what i mean the script books were modified well i mean the script as it appears in the book clearly wouldn't have been the draft that was used before they started shooting because like the ritual steps and the weather vein for ex ample we know these things were sorted out on set okay and they clearly you know that would have been long after the script was written but those things are in the book you know like the weather veins in the book so i don't know they're interesting little puzzles and speaking of puzzles simply getting my hands on these was quite the challenge i won't bore you with the full story but it involved reaching out to the wife of the late publisher ian henry who died some years back and asking her to go through boxes to unearth some stock and she did find a few i mean i was just really happy to track these down i think they're a really neat little you know rare show related item and there just aren't too many such things and they didn't cost an arm and a leg either when i got them she was still selling them for cover price which is like five and a half pounds yeah oh one other interesting thing about them each one has a handful of black and white photos throughout generally of the episode in q uestion yeah um and generally not really the best quality but the musgrave ritual script book has a photo on the back cover from the beekeeping sequence in the second stain yeah it's a really nice kind of clear glossy image so that was interesting to see there's also a really good picture of one of those acorns uh in the musgrave book i'm not sure if this was a promotional one or a screen grab it kind of has it seems like holmes and watson are both looking towards the camera and it's at an angle i don't think we ever see in the show i don't know maybe we'll post that one on twitter because it's a neat picture and you can see you can see that acorn in all its glory that's cool yeah but yeah but let's take a moment and uh go over to the books and look at the original texts this one was first published in may 1893 in both the strand and harper's what was your first book note luke well my first book note is about the ritual yeah and the scandal therein for anyone maybe who hasn't read it o r hasn't read it as recently as they've watched the episode i think most of the stuff just goes by you but having to have reproduced the ritual yeah i had to you know make a decision we had to both make a decision but i had to kind of figure out how to do it yeah but in the story in the original story these steps and the directions are all different from what is read aloud or recited by musgrave in the episode yeah but to make it even worse the prop in the episode is different from what he recites really so there's three different iterations there's three different versions of the musgrave vegetable yeah yeah and and i had to go through and freeze frame looking for the best couple of frames and usually they were upside down at an angle and i turned them around in photoshop and kind of stretched them and things and then i assumed it was what he was reciting which kind of makes this even funnier because he recites it wrong which almost leads you to believe maybe that's why they've been d oing it wrong this whole time because they've been reciting it wrong yeah they can't even read it properly well what does it say what what does he say in this in the show and what does it say on the paper the the steps are the same what he recites is west eight by eight south seven by seven west six by six south five by five and two by two and so under so it goes west south west south right but on the actual prop all the steps are the same but it goes north east south west and the original story goes north east southwest but the steps are different yeah it's very interesting so but but when when we made the relics and i don't want to get off on a relics thing but like we we we chose to do what was what was seen right as the prop replica even though it's actually slightly different than what they said yeah well that that's the kind of thing that's it's the same kind of thing that happened in the redheaded league contract there's dates that don't actually correspond correctly but it was based on what what's in the show yeah so that's what happened here ii looked at the prop and i thought we have to go with the prop because that's what we're making we're not making yeah what someone's reciting we're making what the actual prop says so yeah yeah so for anybody who's got one and read it and then went oh my god that's wrong it is it's the thing from the show yeah in the relics kid yeah yeah well maybe someday we'll reconnect with david carson and we have a growing list of things we forgot to ask him so maybe he can clarify that i have a feeling it's probably just that the prop department made theirs first and then they got there and they were like well that's not going to fly so just say something else you know in 1980s television nobody'll be able to read that that's true and and you know what david carson told us was they they modified the the ritual to match the grounds that they were on yeah it makes sense from a very literal point of view yeah but from a filmmaking p oint of view you just walk a couple more steps and then cut to a different angle and you could do whatever you want but right i kind of applaud them for being literal and like i said i think in the interview like it would be cool because you can go back and you can actually do it and it would work yeah but if the props different then you're in a pickle well we can try both next time we go yeah so i guess this is a book note it's in the show too but uh ricoletti of the club foot and his abominable wife yeah so i don't know if most people know this arthur conan doyle actually wrote a story called the clubfooted grocer right around the time he was writing the sherlock holmes story is right in the middle of it all so it's been speculated in some places that maybe this is the story that he was thinking of writing for sherlock holmes i mean it could be a sherlock holmes story except there's no detective in it but it's about a poor branch of a family getting a letter out of the blue from a di stant rich uncle to send their young son for a job in the country etc etc sound familiar yeah but it's worth a read it's it's a pretty uh entertaining uh and violent story and uh speaking of rick oletti i'm just gonna read a short paragraph from martin dakin's book here he speculates as many have about rickletti of the clubfoot and his abominable wife and i'll just share his words with you here without any preface he writes the term abominable at once calls to mind the famous abominable snowman it must be more than a coincidence that the native name for this creature is yeti rickle yeti does not make sense but watson never saw it written down and is it not conceivable that holmes really said the wrinkled yeti of the club foot and his abominable life and may we not suggest that among holmes's other distinctions was that of having solved the riddle of the snowman long before our scientists got to it is this person still alive martin dakin yeah i don't know i'm not sure if he is or not i just feel like it might change my reaction to that why you don't want to speak ill of the dead i don't want to speak ill of the living okay i think you should what were you going to say i mean can we say horse on our show yeah i don't know i think people are really stretching with these things it's hard to know sometimes whether they're having a good time or whether they're yeah i know i hate taking a dump on people's parties but that was pretty funny i gotta say i think going back to doyle again i think rickaletti clubfoot and abominable i think those are just great words yeah and even if it was a story he already wrote and he's being self-referential like tarantino is yeah i think he just thought that's a great bit of phraseology to throw in as things for watson to try to keep up with writing absolutely or maybe he'd said wrinkled yeti yeah maybe we do get some brain fever in this story rachel howells is described as having a touch of it i mean he does mention fevered brain in the ep isode yeah but it can you can miss it if you're not paying attention but yeah more brain fever oh you don't miss it in this one that's about as good of brain fever acting as you're gonna get you also get a very nice picture of i think what i would call the emblematic ornaments inside baker street watson describes the cigars in the coal scuttle the tobacco and the toe end of the persian slipper yeah and unanswered correspondence transfixed by a jackknife into the center of the wooden mantelpiece like it paints a nice picture and it's also the picture that's in every good recreation of baker street so it's a nice moment but you know what's not in most recreations which i would love to see is a piece of evidence in the butter dish i was thinking of like a finger or maybe a bullet yeah i'd like to see that in a home's adaptation a piece of the wrinkled yeti so the personal equation i always thought this was kind of an awkward thing in the episode i mean funny as you mentioned and you know kind of quirky yeah um but it is in the story and it was kind of interesting to look it up and the story behind the story is a little bit interesting this is from wikipedia the term personal equation in 19th and early 20th century science referred to the idea that every individual observer has an inherent bias when it comes to measurements and observations the term originated in astronomy when it was discovered that numerous observers making simultaneous observations would record slightly different values for example in recording the exact time at which a star crossed the wires of a reticule in a telescope some of which were a significant enough difference to afford problems in larger calculations so it's just kind of interesting to know what watson is on about there i mean ii kind of i don't know what i thought but i thought in some weird way i always kind of assumed it was astrology that he was actually referencing there but it is astronomy the science of astronomy and so it's just i nteresting to see that's where it actually originated and speaking of that um the compass direction yeah there's a good paragraph about the difference between what sir ralph musgrave or rafe musgrave as stephen fry says it yeah his compass would have been different than what holmes's would have been one would have been true north one would have been magnetic north and so this is how they say they obviously would have been wrong and there's no way they could have solved it but that's kind of not giving holmes or brunton any kind of credit in not knowing that the compasses have updated yeah kind of interesting yeah it's an interesting tidbit if you want to go that deep you can yeah i actually really like the way the story ends uh which is a bit different than the show just the part where holmes says i'll read it he says they have the crown down at hurlston though they had some legal bother and a considerable sum to pay before they were allowed to retain it i'm sure that if you mentioned my name they would be happy to show it to you yeah he says that to watson i just thought that was kind of cool that they actually still had it there and you can go check it out yeah people are saying well that would have been impossible but yeah yeah sure it's fun i mean i have to say this story is very good it's obviously a very good story but the episode is incredible yeah but it's really just down to necessity you can't have holmes just he just recites every line of dialogue between every character and the story to watson while they're just sitting on the couch yeah obviously that wouldn't have been a good episode to watch right but this is just so much better it's just so much nicer yeah i think it all comes together really nice and uh conan doyle agrees with you because this was in his this was number 11 in his top 12 uh stories list so whatever the iteration it's considered great well i don't think we really need to do the good and the bad because the whole episode is great and t here's hardly any bad but i do think we should talk about our favorite jeremy moments what do you think let's do it well my first one is i mean we already mentioned it but it's just the dog cart the whole ride in just the whole dialogue the way he's coughing and bundled up and got his feet on the the old cases yeah it's just such a great scene such a great moment in spite of the lighting issues i think my next note would be holmes saying yes i'm still living by my wits and how is your the dear wife and he says i'm not married holmes yeah how wise just a good just a good jeremy moment yeah it's a it's a funny moment and you know jeremy is just i mean all his laughter his laughter is always great and there's so much of it in here and it's slightly strange by virtue of being tinged with cocaine but yeah it doesn't matter he's still such a great actor when he laughs it's just so great yeah one note i have about jeremy that i really like is the way he plants his walking stick in the dirt wh en he's putting the peg in the ground yeah you know it's like he he comes to a stop and then he like he just stabs it down into the wet ground and it just stays there there's so many moments like that he does things with his walking stick like he rings doorbells with it and like yeah smacks on things on the wall and things like that i love it yeah and in that same scene where he goes watson look two inches from mine yeah and his finger goes back and forth between the two holes again i feel like we're just going to end up mentioning every moment in the whole episode but obviously the striding and the the walking of the paces is just total jerry yeah total jeremy i don't know if it's my favorite thing from the episode but it's like such a such a typical jeremy thing and and one of those things that like i've always said could go really wrong which is the hand acting when when his hand emerges from the hole in the bottom of the frame yeah and then it slides into frame and he's got the coi n and then he holds it up with his fingers and then they take the coin and then he just latches on to the box yeah so he's still in the scene yeah he's still in the shot and then like the very next shot is him holding a ruby on the end of his middle finger oh there's i mean so even when he just sits down and he kind of puts his hands in the air and he's like how does the ritual go you know um is so much great but honestly the i think the most classic jeremy brett moment in this whole episode is the one where he's sailing across the water and it's it's a great it's a great moment but what makes it so great to me is that he's like an owl he like he like crooks his neck to like look and see what he's looking at in the distance you know yeah for just just a moment there yeah it's such a great such a great moment and they have musgrave rowing yeah it's his own house yeah okay well then let's do the vote i mean this is not going to be a surprise but i'm just giving this one a full 10.
Yeah t o me it's nearly flawless i mean i guess it could be argued that i'm slightly biased because we've been there and we had such a great talk with david carson but nah ii think it's one of the best and uh the mystery writers of america agree with me so yeah ten what do you think if i if i would have had more time to think of the math on this i would have said you know two by two and two by two and and two and so wonder or whatever but yeah i think a full ten it's another one i can't say it sneaks up on you but every time i watch it i go this is a perfect episode yeah it was just it was just a great episode and it's even it's even better i think that it's such a departure from the story in terms of the way it's told yeah but the way that they kind of scatter the lines around so everybody gets a piece yeah like it's just it's just a great it's just a great episode of tv it's always fun to watch and from a production side knowing things like they ran out of time and he had to hurry up to get it done david carson you know it's like yeah it just makes it even better knowing how great it came out in spite of those challenges you know yeah and those are those kind of things you know again going back to like people not appreciating producers and directors the way they should it's it's when you watch a movie and something's off you just go why didn't they just fix that yeah and there could be a hundred reasons why and so you know sometimes you have to kind of just step back and go well maybe they ran out of money maybe they ran out of time maybe somebody wasn't there whatever it is and so when when you get a movie that got it right you should really appreciate it all the more i think yeah you know one funny thing as i was researching this one lots of reporters like to ask jeremy brett you know what his favorite episodes were and in different interviews he would answer kind of differently but in one early interview he said that he didn't like the musgrave ritual it was more that he didn't like himself in it some of his choices like going to bed in brunton's room he thought that was like he looked back on it and wish he hadn't done that and other things but in a later interview he actually placed this one in his top five favorite list so that was kind of interesting to read the you know i guess he's just like all of us his opinion was free to change fluid yeah yeah and and you never know what's inside the head of somebody and and i think watching a performance especially if if it's recent yeah once you realize the performance actually went down well even if it kind of bugs you yeah it's like okay well maybe that was a good choice and i just didn't actually appreciate it at the time so ii think that's fair well i'm glad he eventually came to like it enough to put it in his top list because it's certainly there for us for sure okay well let's ring for mrs hudson for a new segment we're going to be calling mrs hudson's housekeeping it's not really a new segment j ust a new transition for our housekeeping items but it's fun i do think she should have screamed though we should have had her scream as the jingle maybe we'll add that in next time so the first item of hudson's housekeeping because we just totally overlooked it and might as well say it now we just had our two year anniversary of the podcast i say just but it would have been january 24th yeah so we're only a few months late but it's still very cool and it's still nice to know everybody's still listening and still enjoying the show so thanks to everybody listening yeah and we speaking of that we've just started a new facebook page so that we can converse with people on a different platform right it's just facebook.com sherlockpod and uh as i said on twitter thanks to david yule for setting that up and kind of pushing us that way and uh if there's a call for it maybe we'll go on other platforms at some point we'll see yeah one other little item that might be of interest to our listeners our podcast was actually mentioned in two different telegraph articles in the uk recently journalist tom fordy reached out to us about a piece he was writing on jeremy brett right around the time the series premiered on brit box in the uk and we shared a little of the jeremy brett love he also interviewed david stewart davies for that one so that was pretty heady company for us then he reached back out when he was writing another piece on young sherlock holmes and we gave him a little bit there too his other interview on that piece was adrian bratty of the new sherlock holmes magazine in the uk which we've talked about before it's a great magazine issue number two which i think you can still get there on issue number three about to put out issue number four but issue number two has jeremy on the cover and some nice pieces about the granada series throughout so uh as well as a regular column by david stewart-davies by the way among other things so definitely worth checking out luke do y ou have a relics update for us we do have a brief relics update um we are going through what would be in the next volume and the gem in i think any of the relics kits will be the napoleon bust yeah and it should be an incredibly faithful replica of the prop because a couple of our listeners have gotten in touch and they've managed to get their hands on the original props yeah some of the white unpainted props that were seen in gelder's shop in the episode yeah so we will keep you updated on that we're also going to be putting together a sort of behind-the-scenes look at the production of the next kit with periodic updates and we're going to be putting those on our patreon page yeah and for those who don't follow us over on patreon we did upload some fun extras from our david carson interview for our patreon supporters it's over 20 minutes of stuff from the cutting room floor i guess of that conversation but it's good stuff if you'd like to hear more of that talk please do consider join ing us there and for those who don't know patreon is just kind of a way to kick a few dollars in the direction of your humble hosts and all that goes towards the overhead of the show and web hosting and the occasional new book and things like that but yeah if you feel like joining us there we do have some fun extras that are patreon exclusives and a huge thank you to everyone who has joined us there already definitely and going back to the telegraph article the granada series is now available on brickbox which is an app that you have to pay for but it's very cool um it's also we've been told available on itv3 on occasion but i think it's a sort of thing they only play a few episodes at a time but they are there yeah and i also confirmed that you can now get them on itunes uk and australia at very least possibly in other places but they weren't there for quite a while so if you are starving for the hd quality granada series you have options now yeah lots of sherlock holmes stuff going o n also in the news stephen fry appeared in sherlock holmes news again recently for those who don't know the town of portsmouth in england announced plans to demolish some historical buildings on museum road for housing developments but portsmouth is the town where conan doyle lived when he conceived and created sherlock homes so there's a bit of an outcry from the locals and a petition was signed by over a thousand people calling to not only restore one of the buildings but to install the lancelin green collection there which is one of the largest collections of homes memorabilia in the world some 14 000 pieces and apparently it's been without a home for a while and it's not been on display so the residents of portsmouth believe this would be the perfect home for that collection and in agreement stephen fry has stepped in and spoken out to encourage the portsmouth city council to quote seize the moment and to quote create something that will contribute hugely to the city's reputation e nd quote those are his words yeah and uh apparently it worked because they halted demolition wow and are considering the possibility so good news perhaps out of portsmouth we'll have to see what happens next unless the building should have been knocked down and it all falls over and destroyed everything inside well somebody made the the initial comment that was made was it's a death trap so maybe it needs some reconstruction but yeah we'll see what happens but save it if we can yeah okay well let's head over to the mantelpiece and check under the jackknife for some listener telegrams well before we go to listener telegrams i just wanted to extend a quick thank you to all of our listeners and especially those who have written in we are horribly behind in replying to emails and messages but please know that we read every note that comes in and sincerely appreciate everyone who has taken the time to write we love getting your questions and hearing your stories and we promise to catch up w ith everyone soon it's just been a challenging time around here to say the least and um we're already looking forward to diving into the next one so thanks again for keeping us going for sure i feel like our jackknife has to be very long at this point yeah yeah steve from jackson's point ontario writes in to say hello fellow sherlock aficionados hello steve you might be interested to know that there is an actual musgrave ritual centered on the seat of the northern branch of the family and it's a good yarn and might be worth a mention the seat of the musgraves was eden hall in cumbria a legend surrounds the fabulous object known as the luck of the eden hall it is a centuries-old glass goblet that was according to family lore stolen from the fairies and in retribution the fairies attached a curse to the object which goes if ever this cup should break or fall so ends the luck of eden hall mindful of the curse the musgrave family preserved the goblet for hundreds of years one generation ha nding over to the next until it was finally given to the victoria and albert museum for safe keeping the legend was celebrated in literature by a german poet whose work was later translated into english by wordsworth conan doyle must have been aware of this legend but it couldn't really be spun into something sherlockian so perhaps his treatment in this story is a kind of homage here's a photo of the goblet courtesy of the vna and he provides a picture which we'll upload to the twitter so folks can see keep up the good work steve nice yeah thanks so much steve i do feel like that's one of those doylisms again like he he he read that and thought musgrave such a cool name gotta write something for that yeah it is a great story ii didn't see this mentioned in any of the annotated books which is kind of incredible and in fact the wikipedia entry for the luck of eden hall also doesn't mention the doyle story obviously they are quite dissimilar but i mean i kind of agree with steve i think t here's a darn good chance that there's at least a thread of connection there yeah especially since doyle actually believed in fairies at least later in his life he even wrote a book on the subject called the coming of fairies around 1920.
I did scan through it and i didn't find any mention of the musgraves or eden hall in that book but i don't know not sure but it's definitely a great connection thanks for this steve yeah definitely a listener by the name of simon writes gentlemen just a point of interest regarding the brilliant musgrave ritual i was always struck by the similarity between the words and phrasing of the ritual itself and a passage in the chorus in ts eliot's play murder in the cathedral in that elliot also famously described mccavity the mystery cat as quote the napoleon of crime end quote as per professor moriarty was ts eliot a known sherlockian when i pointed out the ritual similarity to my english literature tutor he was surprised that he hadn't noticed it himself b est wishes simon living in surrey about a mile from undersha well thanks simon yeah that's definitely interesting that is interesting but do you have the same answer of what i'm going to say i'm almost certain that i do because i've been reading up on this one so the answer is yes simon yeah elliot actually said his reference to the muscular ritual was deliberate and holy conscious right there's a little passage in the oxford annotated edition that kind of clears this up um here i'll read it it says ts eliot utilized the wording of the musgrave ritual in his play murder in the cathedral 1935 upon thomas beckett's arrival at canterbury the second of four tempters urges him to submit to king henry's will to recover the chancellorship and to exercise temporal power for the good of the kingdom the stikamithic exchange with beckett runs as follows who shall have it he who shall come what shall be the month the last from the first what shall we give for it pretense of priestly power why shou ld we give it for the power and the glory in 1951 a lively correspondence appeared in the times literary supplement following suggestions that elliott had plagiarized arthur conan doyle the argument was settled by mr nathan benges of new york whose letter appeared on the 28th of september 1951 and it reads sir early this year a spate of letters appeared in these columns concerning mr ts eliot's use of the musgrave ritual from sir arthur conan doyle's sherlock holmes story of that name in his murder in the cathedral there has been much speculation about this and it has even been suggested that mr elliot and sir arthur borrowed the ritual from a common source remembering sherlock holmes's warning about the danger of theorizing before one has all the evidence i wrote to mr elliot in may of this year and asked him about the matter point blank i quote with permission from his reply quote my use of the musgrave ritual was deliberate and wholly conscious end quote this definitive answer shoul d i think end the discussion of this much muted point nathan l benges keeper of the crown the musgrave ritualists of new york so i don't know if that's an actual organization or not but uh pretty definitive though pretty definitive yeah so yeah but thank you simon that's a really really great point and thanks for bringing it in yeah good catch too john from atlanta writes hello luke and gus i have been looking forward to your podcast on the musgrave ritual as it ranks as my favorite of the granada series i first saw it in my early teens on pbs and loved the adventures of holmes watson and musgrave i still love it my only complaint is when holmes asks musgrave and how is the dear wife to which musgrave replies i'm not married holmes i feel like holmes would have been able to deduce musgrave wasn't married by simply looking at him i really feel the series dropped the ball with this exchange it's not homezian at all despite that i still give the musgrave ritual 10 persian slippers thank y ou both for all your hard work john thanks john well that is a pretty hard one to swallow i agree yeah it's fair but they did explain it away by him being high basically right and i think if you watch this episode holmes is obviously off his game a little because there's a number of things i think he would have just put together quicker but again going back to the story this was all just told to him and then he goes well let's go to your house and i'll solve it today right you know so so you had to they had to kind of lower their stuff and also i mean honestly i just i just think it's a nice bit of humor in that it's just humor yeah yeah but i think i think it just adds to the whole like he's high he's not really thinking clearly and then eventually something happens that triggers his mind and he goes let's do this i don't need the cocaine anymore right but up until that point yeah and you know even holmes is fallible i guess so it's possible he could have missed it i mean coke bender or not but i think people don't like to think he is valuable so true but he's not usually taking cocaine when he's on a case so yeah but now he is yeah exactly but it's a good point a good friend of the show richard writes in to say i know you've often described an interview with david burke as a holy grail for the podcast along similar lines have you seen the ae biography episode on sherlock holmes its chief interviewee was dr watson played by a bearded and tuxedoed david burke i saw it around the time it came out it's based on the assumption that sherlock was real etc etc i'll just pause right there yeah richard we have that actually on our youtube channel if you look for jeremy brett sherlock holmes podcast you can find it there um a few people have posted it on youtube and you know you never know these things might get taken down but it's there currently so if anybody would like to check it out check out our youtube channel for sure back to richard's letter i know a lot of american s were introduced to the series on mystery but i also watched it on ae every tuesday night ae had lots of ads of course so they had to cut out a good five or six minutes of every episode i actually convinced my parents to subscribe to one of the more expensive cable packages when the disney channel began airing them in the late 1980s which brings up a story i remember at least four episodes were lightly censored to fall in step with values expectations and what have you of the disney channel and its viewers first in the original of the dancing men when elsie cubit shoots herself she holds the pistol to her temple the camera zooms in on her and there's a reverberating boom and they freeze frame for a moment or two on the disney channel the screen went all black just before the boom and stayed that way for a couple of seconds second in the resident patient they cut out the gurgling crunching sounds as blessings got hoisted up on the rope and cut to the three executioners just watching hi m swing third in the final problem there are both the close-ups and the further backs of the nude model flowing tresses and rounded behind in paris disney cut the close-ups and fourth in the opening to the musgrave ritual we see straw wafting down from the loft but the already somewhat indistinct flesh of janet tragellus is cut and or made a little blurrier i think we see her lift a little less dress too all the best richard oh disney yeah i mean you know thanks richard by the way but i only ever watched him on pbs though i do remember the ae airings i never watched him there but i can imagine those cuts american broadcast television it was just terrible when it comes to those kinds of things and i mean it's great you notice those details those are kind of things i noticed too but yeah back in the days before blu-ray and cable i guess i didn't actually know they were on disney that's that's pretty cool yeah pretty neat thanks richard ria from italy writes hi gus and luke stumbled acros s your podcast on youtube while i was looking for anything brett enjoyed listening and subscribed in order not to miss anything new jeremy brett is pure magic at sherlock holmes however i have been looking at other parts he did in his career and even though he was a beautiful talented and charismatic man none of it comes near to sherlock holmes there is even some pretty ghastly stuff eg his appearance in love boat or heart to heart so i've been asking myself what is the secret of this absolute perfect actor character match i can only thank michael cox and granada for having given jeremy brett an opportunity worthy of his talent everything in this series is about perfect acting design music atmosphere love both watsons too for different reasons the strong women and the creepy villains and last but not least all those great lines straight from the canon which i have gone back to reading kade salute which is italian for warm regards ria yeah maria i think you got it exactly on nailed it o n the head i think this is down to michael cox and the producers and jeremy actually getting to come together to work on a project right i think as you said every actor's career they've got stinkers because they need to work and they can't make their own work they have to choose their own work so you all you can do usually as an actor is say yes or no and when something like this comes along to where you get to actually put your fingers into it and right make decisions on the character and where it's going to go like this is the thing actors live for yeah and you have to you have have existed as an actor to be actually asked to do something like this for quite a while so and it's it's you know coming back to michael cox it's sad that we continue to lose those who worked so hard on this great project but boy did they leave us with something incredible to cherish definitely and the fact that it does endure and the fact that new people are finding the show and possibly even finding homes for the first time is just a testament to the quality of work from conan doyle from jeremy brett and of course michael cox absolutely all right well i guess it was no big surprise that we were going to gush a little bit over that one it's always been one of our favorites thanks for indulging us as always you can find us on the web at slash twitter.com pod we're on youtube as well so please do subscribe to us there for some supplemental materials and some fun bonuses and please send us any thoughts and feedback to contact at sherlockpodcast we always appreciate hearing from you and as we mentioned earlier we have added a bit more from our interview with david carson to our patreon page so please do join us there at patreon.com sherlockpodcast if you'd like to check that out and to all of our patrons past and present thank you so much for your continued support well the next episode is one that i've been looking forward to for a while now it's one that i think doesn't quite get the atten tion it deserves i hope you'll join us next time when we examine the abbey grange until then